Comments on: DEVELOPING: Following “Yes On 8″ Donation Discovery, LA Blog Commenters In Full-On Crazy Tizzy Over Boycott of Insufferably Bad Restaurant

By: Ruth

Ruth — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 22:39:31 +0000

I am pro-civil union as well and I want gay couples to be protected. Marriage is not a fundamental right. Why would gay people want to change the definition of something that already exists. I also think Bar Mitzvahs are for a 13 year old Jewish boys and Quinceaneras are for 15 year old Spanish girls. I’m a 28 year old female. I would like a Bar Mitzvah. Can I have one? Why not go with civil unions OR I would be all for creating some other new institution that is unique and special for gay couples that want to commit and have marriage-like rights, such as healthcare, etc. It confuses me when life, liberty and the persuit of happiness is interpreted to include various social issues like marriage and education. No one should have problems with inheritance issues, visiting a loved one in the hospital, etc. I just think (and some of my gay friends agree) that the label marriage defines a union between a man and a woman. I agree with you Mario, sometimes when you drop your opinion on this one, people lump you in with the far right crazies or religious zealots.

By: RustyPatti

RustyPatti — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:37:33 +0000

“If someone gave a $100 check to support YES on 8, it does not make them an evil villan [sic].”
Yes it does. They donated money in order to deny someone else a fundamental right.

By: Mario

Mario — Tue, 18 Nov 2008 11:50:17 +0000

Ruth, I really give you props for being honest.

There are a lot of us who feel the same way.

Just because I voted YES on Prop 8 does not make me a “homophobe” or anti-gay. I also voted YES to Barack Obama — who is not for the oxymoronic “gay marriage” but pro civil unions for legal purposes. Which is what this issue is.

Unfortunately saying you’re YES on Prop 8 means getting lumped in with intolerant Conservatives and Evangelical douchebags. There are very unlikeable extremists on both sides.

All this tug-of-war gets us nowhere.

By: Ryan

Ryan — Sun, 16 Nov 2008 23:29:30 +0000

Godwin’s Law (also known as Godwin’s Rule of Nazi Analogies)[1] is an adage formulated by Mike Godwin in 1990. The law states:[2][3]

“As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.”

Godwin’s Law is often cited in online discussions as a deterrent against the use of arguments in the reductio ad Hitlerum form.

The rule does not make any statement whether any particular reference or comparison to Hitler or the Nazis might be appropriate, but only asserts that one arising is increasingly probable. It is precisely because such a comparison or reference may sometimes be appropriate, Godwin has argued[4] that overuse of Nazi and Hitler comparisons should be avoided, because it robs the valid comparisons of their impact. Although in one of its early forms Godwin’s Law referred specifically to Usenet newsgroup discussions,[5] the law is now applied to any threaded online discussion: electronic mailing lists, message boards, chat rooms, and more recently blog comment threads and wiki talk pages.

By: c moore

c moore — Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:07:14 +0000

People, don’t be stupid! This isn’t about your opinion or anyone else’s. Mormons FUNDED a proposition that is and has been determined to be unconstitutional. That’s right. Unconstitutional. History shows that the majority is often wrong. Take a look at Nazi Germany, at slavery in the U.S., at how marriage used to mean a man’s selling his daughter to another man, a black and white person’s not being permitted to marry, Abraham’s polygamy, Joseph Smith’s polygamy. This list of ignorant masses and continual evolution of what marriage means and how it has indeed been tied to Women’s Rights and Civil Rights is a long one . Ignorant people who use a platform of religion to launch their fear and prejudice will, once again, be told by the Supreme Court that their discomfort, their opinions and prejudices, do not constitute law. Never underestimate the ignorance of the masses. The Mormons manipulated the easy masses with their well-organized, lie-based campaign. The gay community and its straight allies — labor, teachers, every major black leader (many who lived through the Civil Rights movement), CA governor, LA and SF mayors, even Barak Obama in the 11th hour took the brave stand and lent his voice to No on 8 — underestimated the ignorance of the masses, and we got slapped for it. Open your heart and close your mouth for a minute. Listen to your conscience. Listen to MLK speeches. Read what Christ said. Not a word about gays. The Biblical references to gays are among Old Testament laws about stoning people for adultery. The pro-8 logic is strained and absolutely steeped in fear and inaccuracies. There is nothing Christian about short-sighted hatred. This thinking would make Jesus weep.

By: Saynit

Saynit — Sun, 16 Nov 2008 05:53:09 +0000

I voted yes on prop 8 based upon my belief and right to worship God the way I see fit. My bible says marriage is between a man and a woman. Just like it was God, that this prop was on the ballot during a year inwhich many folks would be voting, it will be Gods blessing that the folks at this restaurant will be taken care of. In fact, I plan to start a chain email that encourages other people who support the prop to send the owner money. God will prevail…you all need to go forward and develop initiatives that promote civil unions that include all the rights of marriage. Leave the word marriage alone…it will never work. Your angry vile will only turn people against you that may have been support even though they don’t believe in Gay or Lesbian relationships. You can retalitate, and so can other people, and whatever you do stop comparing this situation to the Black Civil Rights Movement, or to interacial marriages….this will certainly get folks mad.

By: Ruth

Ruth — Sat, 15 Nov 2008 04:06:14 +0000

One of my best friends is a lesbian.

By: Ryan

Ryan — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:33:43 +0000

GODWIN’D!

By: Pete

Pete — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:24:04 +0000

I don’t think Ruth actually knows any homosexuals, of either gender.

Also, check the Godwin action up there.

By: Ruth

Ruth — Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:43:37 +0000

I love the way liberals pretend to be tolerant and full of love, until someone has a different point of view. Even if that someone is not radical or even mean. If someone gave a $100 check to support YES on 8, it does not make them an evil villan. It makes them different from you. We should respect our differences. I respect gay people, but I get the impression if that if I ever told a gay person I don’t believe or think exactly the way they do, then they turn into narcissistic, hating people full of intolerance. How come the gay community does not protest Muslims who forbid gayness under sharia law. It is estimated that Muslims voted YES on 8 like 98% across the board. Much easier to target Mormons or Christians. BTW, not every Mormom or Christian voted yes.